Challengers That Need to Return

Not saying I want any of these people back but does anyone know what happened with Johnny (Portland), Vince (Bloodlines), Jamie (Bloodlines), and Thomas (Explosion). They seemed for a span of 3-4 challenges that they were going to be the new regulars and we haven't seen any of them in  4 seasons. The last time we saw them they all seemed like they wanted to do more challenges. I personally could not stand Vince and Johnny was an awful competitor and completely overrated, but Thomas was hilarious and Jamie was pretty likeable. 

I'm not 100% sure on this but I think they're all still getting calls. I think Vince declines. And maybe for the others, production just prioritized others over them for the Trilogy. I wouldn't be surprised to see some returns after the Trilogy is over.

Who even was Nicole R's vendetta. She sucks so much she should just stay home for good lol

El Lobito wrote:

so pissed we had alternates for Vendettas pretty much ON LOCATION but they didn't replace Eddie OR Sylvia

I think the reasoning behind Eddie was that they wanted him gone as quietly as possible. Bringing in an alternate, they'd have to explain why and who they replaced. Sylvia, I agree with. KellyAnne should've been put in.

Eddie could've easily been edited out tho. Omit his introduction and have Kam and Alicia speak of Eddie as a pass tense and everything is fixed.

El Scorcho wrote:

Not saying I want any of these people back but does anyone know what happened with Johnny (Portland), Vince (Bloodlines), Jamie (Bloodlines), and Thomas (Explosion). They seemed for a span of 3-4 challenges that they were going to be the new regulars and we haven't seen any of them in  4 seasons. The last time we saw them they all seemed like they wanted to do more challenges. I personally could not stand Vince and Johnny was an awful competitor and completely overrated, but Thomas was hilarious and Jamie was pretty likeable. 

I'm not 100% sure on this but I think they're all still getting calls. I think Vince declines. And maybe for the others, production just prioritized others over them for the Trilogy. I wouldn't be surprised to see some returns after the Trilogy is over.

Jamie would have been a champ on Invasion but like Zach, I think he would’ve been eliminated by Darrell or CT right away but the others could have been good contenders. I remember Thomas was pretty much on the “confirmed” list right before departure on Vendettas and then he was removed like a day or two before it started. I think that like Cohutta, those people are interested but had zero people to even stretch a “rivalry” who wasn’t their partner already on Rivals 3 

Not saying I want any of these people back but does anyone know what happened with Johnny (Portland), Vince (Bloodlines), Jamie (Bloodlines), and Thomas (Explosion). They seemed for a span of 3-4 challenges that they were going to be the new regulars and we haven't seen any of them in  4 seasons. The last time we saw them they all seemed like they wanted to do more challenges. I personally could not stand Vince and Johnny was an awful competitor and completely overrated, but Thomas was hilarious and Jamie was pretty likeable. 

nelson ended johnny hahaha

El Scorcho wrote:

Not saying I want any of these people back but does anyone know what happened with Johnny (Portland), Vince (Bloodlines), Jamie (Bloodlines), and Thomas (Explosion). They seemed for a span of 3-4 challenges that they were going to be the new regulars and we haven't seen any of them in  4 seasons. The last time we saw them they all seemed like they wanted to do more challenges. I personally could not stand Vince and Johnny was an awful competitor and completely overrated, but Thomas was hilarious and Jamie was pretty likeable. 

I'm not 100% sure on this but I think they're all still getting calls. I think Vince declines. And maybe for the others, production just prioritized others over them for the Trilogy. I wouldn't be surprised to see some returns after the Trilogy is over.

Vince declining surprises me because he seemed like he liked being on the challenge with Johnny and he never gave off the idea that he was over being on the challenge. And I feel like Jamie, Johnny and Thomas would have been perfect for the trilogy. Jamie could have been on Vendettas and had a vendetta with Johnny Bananas from Bloodlines. Thomas could have been on Dirty 30 for potentially ruining a relationship to further his place in the game. And Johnny R could have been placed into Dirty 30 and/or Vendettas somehow. Just strange that they casted people like Shane, Leroy, Hunter, Dario, Derrick, etc on Dirty 30 over some people that fit the format better. It was awesome seeing Derrick again since Cutthroat but he doesn't really fit the bill for a "dirty player", neither does Hunter, Leroy, or Shane. 

Shane is the definition of a dirty player and was amazing on Invasion.

Hunter had a great breakout season as well. Vince wasn't amazing in personality, entertainment, or competition. Actually, I'd rather have Hunter on than anybody you mentioned.

Now, if we're talking Averey / Marlon / Cooke / Robb / Kellyanne / Theo KB / Hailey, etc - that's a different story

Replace Bananas, CT, Leroy, Wes, and Zach with Ashley Cain, Brad, Darrell, Frank, and Marlon

Need a second Chance: Ash Cain, Chuck, Angela, Morgan, Alicia W

Vets who haven't been on at the last couple: Nat Negrotti, Hunter, Day, Devin, Tony, Amanda, Darrell, Brad, Derrick K

Vets who have been gone at least a few years: Averey, Nia, Marlon, Cooke, Frank, Emily S, Theresa, Sarah R, KellyAnne, Rachel, Coral, Tori H, Abe

Second Chance: Ash Cain, Marlon, JP, Averey, Angela, Shaleen. 

Returning Vets: Darrell, Nia, Theresa.

Debuts: Jada (AYTO6), Janelle, Maya, Kenya, Bria, Seven (BGC17), Christina (BGC9), Nancy (BGC10), Natalie Nunn, Nurys, Jasmine (AYTO8), Nour (AYTO8), Diandra, Tyara, CeeJai, Cydney, Michaela, Natalie Anderson, Justin (RW: Atlanta), Justinavery (AYTO8), Malcolm, Kareem (EOTB2), JD (EOTB2), Cam (EOTB3), Andrew Couture, Keith (AYTO6), Kwasi, Carlos (Paradise Hotel), Gio (AYTO4), Michael Dean (AYTO6), Basit (AYTO8), Kassius, Clint, Cole Medders, Chris Noble, Chris Underwood, Michael Yerger, Dean Kowalski, and Big Brother Icons, Ika Wong, Jamar Lee, and Kemi Fakunle.

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Second Chance: Ash Cain, Marlon, JP, Averey, Angela, Shaleen. 

Returning Vets: Darrell, Nia, Theresa.

Debuts: Jada (AYTO6), Janelle, Maya, Kenya, Bria, Seven (BGC17), Christina (BGC9), Nancy (BGC10), Natalie Nunn, Nurys, Jasmine (AYTO8), Nour (AYTO8), Diandra, Tyara, CeeJai, Cydney, Michaela, Natalie Anderson, Justin (RW: Atlanta), Justinavery (AYTO8), Malcolm, Kareem (EOTB2), JD (EOTB2), Cam (EOTB3), Andrew Couture, Keith (AYTO6), Kwasi, Carlos (Paradise Hotel), Gio (AYTO4), Michael Dean (AYTO6), Basit (AYTO8), K***ius, Clint, Cole Medders, Chris Noble, Chris Underwood, Michael Yerger, Dean Kowalski, and Big Brother Icons, Ika Wong, Jamar Lee, and Kemi Fakunle.

What the show could be smmfh to see all these dynamic people be ignored but nah let's see Kyle's corny *** for the 5th time. Let's watch Jenna be a doormat & GonFlopez be a warm hole for the 485729th time. Don't even get me started on The 3 Stooges.

Second Chance: Ash Cain, Marlon, JP, Averey, Angela, Shaleen. 

Returning Vets: Darrell, Nia, Theresa.

Debuts: Jada (AYTO6), Janelle, Maya, Kenya, Bria, Seven (BGC17), Christina (BGC9), Nancy (BGC10), Natalie Nunn, Nurys, Jasmine (AYTO8), Nour (AYTO8), Diandra, Tyara, CeeJai, Cydney, Michaela, Natalie Anderson, Justin (RW: Atlanta), Justinavery (AYTO8), Malcolm, Kareem (EOTB2), JD (EOTB2), Cam (EOTB3), Andrew Couture, Keith (AYTO6), Kwasi, Carlos (Paradise Hotel), Gio (AYTO4), Michael Dean (AYTO6), Basit (AYTO8), Kassius, Clint, Cole Medders, Chris Noble, Chris Underwood, Michael Yerger, Dean Kowalski, and Big Brother Icons, Ika Wong, Jamar Lee, and Kemi Fakunle.

What the show could be smmfh

So true. Production would rather cast Bananas, CT, and Wes for the millionth time instead of making smart casting choices.

Second Chance: Ash Cain, Marlon, JP, Averey, Angela, Shaleen. 

Returning Vets: Darrell, Nia, Theresa.

Debuts: Jada (AYTO6), Janelle, Maya, Kenya, Bria, Seven (BGC17), Christina (BGC9), Nancy (BGC10), Natalie Nunn, Nurys, Jasmine (AYTO8), Nour (AYTO8), Diandra, Tyara, CeeJai, Cydney, Michaela, Natalie Anderson, Justin (RW: Atlanta), Justinavery (AYTO8), Malcolm, Kareem (EOTB2), JD (EOTB2), Cam (EOTB3), Andrew Couture, Keith (AYTO6), Kwasi, Carlos (Paradise Hotel), Gio (AYTO4), Michael Dean (AYTO6), Basit (AYTO8), K***ius, Clint, Cole Medders, Chris Noble, Chris Underwood, Michael Yerger, Dean Kowalski, and Big Brother Icons, Ika Wong, Jamar Lee, and Kemi Fakunle.

What the show could be smmfh

So true. They'd rather cast Bananas, CT, and Wes for the millionth time instead of actually making smart casting choices.

Happens when production has "invested" in Larry, Curly & Moe......phony *** overpaid puppets who'll do anything for a dollar lol

Second Chance: Ash Cain, Marlon, JP, Averey, Angela, Shaleen. 

Returning Vets: Darrell, Nia, Theresa.

Debuts: Jada (AYTO6), Janelle, Maya, Kenya, Bria, Seven (BGC17), Christina (BGC9), Nancy (BGC10), Natalie Nunn, Nurys, Jasmine (AYTO8), Nour (AYTO8), Diandra, Tyara, CeeJai, Cydney, Michaela, Natalie Anderson, Justin (RW: Atlanta), Justinavery (AYTO8), Malcolm, Kareem (EOTB2), JD (EOTB2), Cam (EOTB3), Andrew Couture, Keith (AYTO6), Kwasi, Carlos (Paradise Hotel), Gio (AYTO4), Michael Dean (AYTO6), Basit (AYTO8), Kassius, Clint, Cole Medders, Chris Noble, Chris Underwood, Michael Yerger, Dean Kowalski, and Big Brother Icons, Ika Wong, Jamar Lee, and Kemi Fakunle.

What the show could be smmfh

So true. They'd rather cast Bananas, CT, and Wes for the millionth time instead of actually making smart casting choices.

Happens when production has "invested" in Larry, Curly & Moe......phony *** overpaid puppets who'll do anything for a dollar lol

Leroy or Zach would make the perfect Shemp. They both need to go as well.

the thing is we could still get the "regulars" and new kids if they actually just switched up the cast every season. with filming twice a year do we NEED to see the exact same cast every 6 months? rotate in 10 newbies with less regulars and well still get to see everyone if they just dont cast the same people for 3 seasons in a row. i don't think kyle's story would be as boring if he was on this season if he had taken a break last season. i know the cast is worried about getting phased out but prooduction should focus more on a familar vs a predictable cast.

i don't even have anyone i want to see back in particular i wish they just did a better job of suprising us.

the thing is we could still get the "regulars" and new kids if they actually just switched up the cast every season. with filming twice a year do we NEED to see the exact same cast every 6 months? rotate in 10 newbies with less regulars and well still get to see everyone if they just dont cast the same people for 3 seasons in a row. i don't think kyle's story would be as boring if he was on this season if he had taken a break last season. i know the cast is worried about getting phased out but prooduction should focus more on a familar vs a predictable cast.

i don't even have anyone i want to see back in particular i wish they just did a better job of suprising us.

They used to do that & did it well during the Golden Era. Then Justin Booth, RW Austin, RW Key West & Fresh Meat happened smmfh

Second Chance: Ash Cain, Marlon, JP, Averey, Angela, Shaleen. 

Returning Vets: Darrell, Nia, Theresa.

Debuts: Jada (AYTO6), Janelle, Maya, Kenya, Bria, Seven (BGC17), Christina (BGC9), Nancy (BGC10), Natalie Nunn, Nurys, Jasmine (AYTO8), Nour (AYTO8), Diandra, Tyara, CeeJai, Cydney, Michaela, Natalie Anderson, Justin (RW: Atlanta), Justinavery (AYTO8), Malcolm, Kareem (EOTB2), JD (EOTB2), Cam (EOTB3), Andrew Couture, Keith (AYTO6), Kwasi, Carlos (Paradise Hotel), Gio (AYTO4), Michael Dean (AYTO6), Basit (AYTO8), Kassius, Clint, Cole Medders, Chris Noble, Chris Underwood, Michael Yerger, Dean Kowalski, and Big Brother Icons, Ika Wong, Jamar Lee, and Kemi Fakunle.

What the show could be smmfh

So true. They'd rather cast Bananas, CT, and Wes for the millionth time instead of actually making smart casting choices.

Happens when production has "invested" in Larry, Curly & Moe......phony *** overpaid puppets who'll do anything for a dollar lol

Leroy or Zach would make the perfect Shemp. They both need to go as well.

Leroy seems to be done this time (hopefully) but the Disney Princess should've been done years ago & it's disgusting how he's one of the few from the BOTSeasons 2 - Exes 2 era still around.

Second Chance: Ash Cain, Marlon, JP, Averey, Angela, Shaleen. 

Returning Vets: Darrell, Nia, Theresa.

Debuts: Jada (AYTO6), Janelle, Maya, Kenya, Bria, Seven (BGC17), Christina (BGC9), Nancy (BGC10), Natalie Nunn, Nurys, Jasmine (AYTO8), Nour (AYTO8), Diandra, Tyara, CeeJai, Cydney, Michaela, Natalie Anderson, Justin (RW: Atlanta), Justinavery (AYTO8), Malcolm, Kareem (EOTB2), JD (EOTB2), Cam (EOTB3), Andrew Couture, Keith (AYTO6), Kwasi, Carlos (Paradise Hotel), Gio (AYTO4), Michael Dean (AYTO6), Basit (AYTO8), Kassius, Clint, Cole Medders, Chris Noble, Chris Underwood, Michael Yerger, Dean Kowalski, and Big Brother Icons, Ika Wong, Jamar Lee, and Kemi Fakunle.

What the show could be smmfh

So true. They'd rather cast Bananas, CT, and Wes for the millionth time instead of actually making smart casting choices.

Happens when production has "invested" in Larry, Curly & Moe......phony *** overpaid puppets who'll do anything for a dollar lol

Leroy or Zach would make the perfect Shemp. They both need to go as well.

Leroy seems to be done this time (hopefully) but the Disney Princess should've been done years ago & it's disgusting how he's one of the few from the BOTSeasons 2 - Exes 2 era still around.

Being stuck with Frank would've been better

the thing is we could still get the "regulars" and new kids if they actually just switched up the cast every season. with filming twice a year do we NEED to see the exact same cast every 6 months? rotate in 10 newbies with less regulars and well still get to see everyone if they just dont cast the same people for 3 seasons in a row. i don't think kyle's story would be as boring if he was on this season if he had taken a break last season. i know the cast is worried about getting phased out but prooduction should focus more on a familar vs a predictable cast.

i don't even have anyone i want to see back in particular i wish they just did a better job of suprising us.

They used to do that & did it well during the Golden Era. Then Justin Booth, RW Austin, RW Key West & Fresh Meat happened smmfh

that's my biggest complaint.  A good rotation of cast members made it interesting back in the day, Rachel, Coral, etc weren't on every season but they kept their relevance and it allowed for other people to become regulars as well. A good mix of good and old with it constantly switching makes the series good, and I think that's the issue with it now.

I'm also all for an Averey return. She was robbed imo on Rivals 3, and she def is interested based on Instagram just doesn't get called anymore.  The other vets I could rant about but I'm sure you're all sick of me by this point so I'll just keep this post Averey. Lol

Also with what ohaiii said:

surprises! They make it exciting. Whether it was a debut or an epic return, and even if they didn't do much seeing a name on the list of a vet we never saw (or in the case of Lacey never expected to see) makes me super pumped for a season. 

Tori Hall. if you disagree than your entitled to your wrong opinon.

Tori Hall. if you disagree than your entitled to your wrong opinon.

say it louder for the casuals in the back <3

the thing is we could still get the "regulars" and new kids if they actually just switched up the cast every season. with filming twice a year do we NEED to see the exact same cast every 6 months? rotate in 10 newbies with less regulars and well still get to see everyone if they just dont cast the same people for 3 seasons in a row. i don't think kyle's story would be as boring if he was on this season if he had taken a break last season. i know the cast is worried about getting phased out but prooduction should focus more on a familar vs a predictable cast.

i don't even have anyone i want to see back in particular i wish they just did a better job of suprising us.

They used to do that & did it well during the Golden Era. Then Justin Booth, RW Austin, RW Key West & Fresh Meat happened smmfh

that's my biggest complaint.  A good rotation of cast members made it interesting back in the day, Rachel, Coral, etc weren't on every season but they kept their relevance and it allowed for other people to become regulars as well. A good mix of good and old with it constantly switching makes the series good, and I think that's the issue with it now.

I'm also all for an Averey return. She was robbed imo on Rivals 3, and she def is interested based on Instagram just doesn't get called anymore.  The other vets I could rant about but I'm sure you're all sick of me by this point so I'll just keep this post Averey. Lol

Just like I told Graphik earlier in this thread, we could've seen Brad, Darrell, Derrick K, Frank, Laurel, Tori Hall, etc. a lot more but NOOO we just HAVE to get Bananas, Cara Maria, CT, Leroy, Wes, and Zach every season. That's entirely production's fault and they have no one to blame but themselves for calling them so much.

Realistically:

Frank Sweeney

Marlon Williams

Derrick Kosinski

Tina Barta

Tori Hall

Kendal Sheppard

Nia Moore

Emily Schromm