I don't think CT's presence would've been as dynamic in the situation as people think... he wouldn't have been on the same team as Johnny, Evan, Kenny, and Wes anyways so why would he care who was fighting with who and for what reasons on that team? I don't think he would've even been involved with that. He doesn't like any of those guys anyways so I don't see why he'd care. He'd be looked at as the top performer on his team and his team would look to him as the leader, just as in every other challenge, and looking at how he seemed to talk with Brad and Danny quite a bit on G3, I'd assume those three guys would be running their team and worrying about their own team.

if he were on the ruinss he'd have taken Wes out the first episode he would've volunteered as a leader then been thrown in by JEK

CT isn't the kind of guy to put himself up for nomination like that, he would've pressured the weaker guys into doing it to get rid of them and none of them would've done anything about it. You think guys like Chet, Nick Brown, Adam, and Cohutta are going to stand up to whatever he wanted to do? He wouldn't have gone up for elimination until the end when those guys were gone, and even then a lot of the guys on the Champions teams are cowards and there's no way they'd pick CT to go up against when they were that close to the final. Why would you go for him where you'd almost certainly lose when you could go after guys like Brad, Dunbar, and Danny who are nowhere near as strong as CT and who you'd have a better chance at beating?

I also think that if any of the Champion guys WERE to grow a pair and say they wanted to face CT, it'd be Evan just for the simple fact that he seems like the kind of guy who would want revenge for losing to somebody. But, even that is iffy because he was scared as hell to face CT on the first Duel and has said numerous times to people off camera that he fears CT more than anybody else on these shows and that he is the guy he'd least want to face.

Rambo;129218 wrote:
I also think that if any of the Champion guys WERE to grow a pair and say they wanted to face CT, it'd be Evan just for the simple fact that he seems like the kind of guy who would want revenge for losing to somebody. But, even that is iffy because he was scared as hell to face CT on the first Duel and has said numerous times to people off camera that he fears CT more than anybody else on these shows and that he is the guy he'd least want to face.

I would've guessed if the situation had occurred, it would've been Johnny to get thrown in against CT. When you compare his relationships to Kenny and Evan, and then Kenny and Evan's friendship, Johnny's like the third wheel. No way I see Kenny or Evan throwing one another in, and Derrick would most likely go with whatever the majority is.

Rambo;129209 wrote:
I don't think CT's presence would've been as dynamic in the situation as people think... he wouldn't have been on the same team as Johnny, Evan, Kenny, and Wes anyways so why would he care who was fighting with who and for what reasons on that team? I don't think he would've even been involved with that. He doesn't like any of those guys anyways so I don't see why he'd care. He'd be looked at as the top performer on his team and his team would look to him as the leader, just as in every other challenge, and looking at how he seemed to talk with Brad and Danny quite a bit on G3, I'd assume those three guys would be running their team and worrying about their own team.

I agree with everything you said except that. On I1, he wasn't the leader but he was new. On I2, they really had no leader like how the Good Guys had Mike. I think strategy wise, Abram was the brains of how to do the missions, just like he was on I3. I think CT is a great competitor and has been beaten only once from a fluke, but I don't think him being there would have changed the show a great deal. Wes would still be getting the most airtime, and unless CT fought with him, CT wouldn't get as much. Even with CT there, the rest of the challengers besides Brad would still suck and I think the Champions would still be winning more often.

On Inferno 1, I think the Real World team looked as Mike to be the leader since he was a veteran and CT was new like you said, but as the season went on and it became very clear that CT was their top player, the team looked at him more to be the pace setter rather than Mike.

Rambo;129275 wrote:
On Inferno 1, I think the Real World team looked as Mike to be the leader since he was a veteran and CT was new like you said, but as the season went on and it became very clear that CT was their top player, the team looked at him more to be the pace setter rather than Mike.

True, but Mike was still the leader throughout the challenge, even if CT was better.

If you ask me, I think CT showed more leadership that actually mattered on that challenge than Mike did. He stepped up and took David's place in the Inferno when they couldn't afford to lose any more guys because he knew it was an Inferno that David was probably going to lose because of his weak stomach. And, he is also the one that spearheaded the movement to get their weakest link, Leah, off the team when everybody else was cool with her getting buy with a free ride. All Mike did was give everybody on the team stupid "BE MIZ" shirts and hats.

Rambo;129417 wrote:
If you ask me, I think CT showed more leadership that actually mattered on that challenge than Mike did. He stepped up and took David's place in the Inferno when they couldn't afford to lose any more guys because he knew it was an Inferno that David was probably going to lose because of his weak stomach. And, he is also the one that spearheaded the movement to get their weakest link, Leah, off the team when everybody else was cool with her getting buy with a free ride. All Mike did was give everybody on the team stupid "BE MIZ" shirts and hats.

I agree with those points. I remember even David himself said he would lose that Inferno, so CT did his buddy a favor and sent Shane packing. As for the "getting rid of Leah" movement, at that point they had to since she was being excused from too many competitions after her panic attack. He did have a point in asking why the team should share the money with someone who is not competing at all but just coasting by. As for I2, he had every right to be pissed at Karamo because of his silly fear of going in the water. CT said it right, "How can you expect to go to a Challenge and NOT get wet? It's ridiculous." And it showed that even after Philly, Karamo still blames his situations and fights on his skin color since he could've said to CT, "Kiss my ***!" But instead, he has to stoop to the race card by including "black" in that sentence. Even CT told him to stop using that as an excuse for him refusing to get in the water and costing their team the win. And as for CT's hotheaded nature, sometimes he has good reason to get mad like the Karamo situation and every time he argued with Leah who treated him like crap nearly the whole Paris season. Then again, sometimes when he gets pissed, it does happen over the most trivial of reasons like wanting to hit Kenny in I3 after their wrestling match left him with a bloody nose. As for him punching Davis, nowadays i do believe it was out of being drunk since when the guys confronted him while he was sleeping, he was still a little slurry and couldn't remember the incident due to the alcohol still clouding his judgment.

Rambo;129417 wrote:
If you ask me, I think CT showed more leadership that actually mattered on that challenge than Mike did. He stepped up and took David's place in the Inferno when they couldn't afford to lose any more guys because he knew it was an Inferno that David was probably going to lose because of his weak stomach. And, he is also the one that spearheaded the movement to get their weakest link, Leah, off the team when everybody else was cool with her getting buy with a free ride. All Mike did was give everybody on the team stupid "BE MIZ" shirts and hats.

I believe that CT took David's place because they were friends, not sure. Mike and CT, in my opinion are both, very equal.

I wonder if CT and Diem have managed to repair their friendship at least. In the short time Diem was in The Ruins, not one time did she ever mention CT in the confessionals nor in the house so that implies not very likely...:sad2:

I actually like CT but he needs to stay away from the challenges.

If CT got on a Challenge again but makes an early exit due to getting physical for the third time, who do you think would be the most likely target? Seeing how he usually smacks down on smaller people; Davis, Adam, and Isaac (somewhat); i think if Chet was on the show with him, just the silly bow tie appearance might tempt him... I don't think it would be over a fight, i would see a situation like that happen much like Davis in that he was drunk. Instead of slurring, "All i know is he's a gay kid who isolates himself from everyone else.", he'd probably slur, "All i know is he's a scrawny bow tied ugly glasses kid who kept bragging about how he's some sort of Bow Tie Killa or somethin'.":drinks:

He would probibaly try to go after someone like Dave(RW Hollywood) or Dan(RR VR)

I don't think he'd do anything to Chet, Chet seems to be pretty cool & gets along with everybody. CT usually gets into it with the snippy, passive-aggressive people who push his buttons and that's something Dan, Karamo, and Adam all have in common; the fight with Kenny was a bit different, as I think CT was upset over the fact that he felt Kenny intentionally kneed him in the face and gave him a bloody nose while they were wrestling. That would be something to get a little mad about if you're just horsing around wrestling with somebody and they pull a cheapshot like that. As for Davis, just seeing how that kid acts and spouts his mouth off to people he shouldn't (he's pissed off big guys on these shows like Ty, Dunbar, and Evan with his smart mouth) makes me believe there's some truth to what I've heard from a couple people that went down when CT punched him. CT didn't have to punch him, obviously, but Davis wasn't just minding his own business and was just randomly clocked either like they make it sound.

We never know who CT would go after. He tried to fight Isaac and he is a lot like Chet.

Well CT didn't just go after Issac, they did say Issac said something to him that CT took great offense to and that's what set him off... who knows what it was though. I don't see Chet doing something like that but I could definitely see CT getting into it with Dave from RW Hollywood like somebody already mentioned. That kid is so cocky & off in his own little world, hell put him and that other idiot two-faced liar Will on a show together and let CT take them both out.

hahaa oh man I'd love to see Will say something to CT.

I think that once CT gets his head straight he should come back to the challenges he's like a staple of the show and really I've always found him entertaining and besides Abe beat up people on two different shows and came back for the Island

As far as his home life goes, i hope he's staying out of trouble. He himself said that after what happened to his relative who was murdered, he was worried that he might be headed down the same path. I sincerely hope that a few years from now, we don't hear an article on the news saying something like "Chris Tamburello, best known as CT from The Real World and several RW/RR Challenges, dead from altercation." I know he has a huge temper and all that, but nobody deserves something like that down the road, even if it's someone you don't get along with.

Anyone knows where can I watch the whole CT and Adam "fight" on Paris? I think CT also fights 1 frenchman.

pmfg10;130596 wrote:
Anyone knows where can I watch the whole CT and Adam "fight" on Paris? I think CT also fights 1 frenchman.

youtube

Francid;129839 wrote:
As far as his home life goes, i hope he's staying out of trouble. He himself said that after what happened to his relative who was murdered, he was worried that he might be headed down the same path. I sincerely hope that a few years from now, we don't hear an article on the news saying something like "Chris Tamburello, best known as CT from The Real World and several RW/RR Challenges, dead from altercation." I know he has a huge temper and all that, but nobody deserves something like that down the road, even if it's someone you don't get along with.

Don't worry about CT. Didn't you watch the Duel 2? "I WIN EVERY FIGHT!"

Francid;129839 wrote:
As far as his home life goes, i hope he's staying out of trouble. He himself said that after what happened to his relative who was murdered, he was worried that he might be headed down the same path. I sincerely hope that a few years from now, we don't hear an article on the news saying something like "Chris Tamburello, best known as CT from The Real World and several RW/RR Challenges, dead from altercation." I know he has a huge temper and all that, but nobody deserves something like that down the road, even if it's someone you don't get along with.

Yeah........I hardly doubt that.

Here's an update on what's going on with the guy that killed CT's brother Suspect in shooting death faces new charges: Rutland Herald Online

Rambo;133179 wrote:
Here's an update on what's going on with the guy that killed CT's brother Suspect in shooting death faces new charges: Rutland Herald Online

wow... I didn't realize that the Grand Jury dismissed the charges...

Once again, the court system SUCKS if they dismissed the case especially with tons of witnesses swearing that they saw the killer shoot Vinnie in cold blood!!!:( CT would've most probably have been standing outside and giving every single jury member the "death stare" for letting a murderer walk initially.

SteveSparxx;131401 wrote:
Yeah........I hardly doubt that.

Somebody posted this on the message board on CT's brother's memorial site... maybe the CT on TV & in the real world aren't all that different Annonymous 10-08-2009 7:07:03 PM EST This site is ridiculous. I can understand if you want to honor your sons memory. I am a parent and can't imagine what you are going through and I feel for you as any parent should and would. The fact of the matter is I saw the building of this clash long before it happened. This site is one point of view and biased at best! I am neither friends with either parties and the fact of the matter is Vinnie was a enraged, out of control, hostile individual who was fueled by pharmaceutical drugs, *******, steroids, and alcohol. He is also guilty of the same types of incidence and behavior that you use to describe Mr. Arbuckle! He is guilty of abuse of women and assault, including assaults with weapons, and prescription fraud. His accounts are well documented in the Springfield and Massachusetts area. It is obvious with the actions of his brother CT in local establishments, local individuals, and Television that he shares the same types of of taste for drugs, alcohol, and brutality. It would seem that this is not an acquired behavior, but that of people who have been allowed, accepted, and tolerated to act like these two. It is far to late to save one son, so try for your sake to hold on to the other and work on changing these behaviors. I would never wish this upon any parent, but the fact of the matter is we have always lived in a society where we hope for a source of protection, yet when it is not there or you fear for your live, you can protect yourself, your home, and the ones you love with deadly force. Our country was built on this theory and that is why we stand as one of the most feared and loved countries in the world. Let Freedom Ring. Sincerely, A Non-Biased Parent

Rambo;133192 wrote:
Somebody posted this on the message board on CT's brother's memorial site... maybe the CT on TV & in the real world aren't all that different Annonymous 10-08-2009 7:07:03 PM EST This site is ridiculous. I can understand if you want to honor your sons memory. I am a parent and can't imagine what you are going through and I feel for you as any parent should and would. The fact of the matter is I saw the building of this clash long before it happened. This site is one point of view and biased at best! I am neither friends with either parties and the fact of the matter is Vinnie was a enraged, out of control, hostile individual who was fueled by pharmaceutical drugs, *******, steroids, and alcohol. He is also guilty of the same types of incidence and behavior that you use to describe Mr. Arbuckle! He is guilty of abuse of women and assault, including assaults with weapons, and prescription fraud. His accounts are well documented in the Springfield and Massachusetts area. It is obvious with the actions of his brother CT in local establishments, local individuals, and Television that he shares the same types of of taste for drugs, alcohol, and brutality. It would seem that this is not an acquired behavior, but that of people who have been allowed, accepted, and tolerated to act like these two. It is far to late to save one son, so try for your sake to hold on to the other and work on changing these behaviors. I would never wish this upon any parent, but the fact of the matter is we have always lived in a society where we hope for a source of protection, yet when it is not there or you fear for your live, you can protect yourself, your home, and the ones you love with deadly force. Our country was built on this theory and that is why we stand as one of the most feared and loved countries in the world. Let Freedom Ring. Sincerely, A Non-Biased Parent

As a parent myself I find the quoted statements to be offensive. I do not care if CT and Vinnie were carbon copies of each other, the man was murdered! Does this fact excuse bad behavior? Absolutely not! But the man is dead now, and some things are better left unsaid.