The ending put a bad taste in my mouth because nobody wants to see the villains win - especially when it comes to Frank. When Landon and Carley won FM2, I was ecstatic because they played the game honest and fair the whole time.

Legend;331629 wrote:
The ending put a bad taste in my mouth because nobody wants to see the villains win - especially when it comes to Frank. When Landon and Carley won FM2, I was ecstatic because they played the game honest and fair the whole time.

JEK are "villains" as well but they are the villains you love to hate. Frank is just someone you hate.

Legend;331629 wrote:
The ending put a bad taste in my mouth because nobody wants to see the villains win - especially when it comes to Frank. When Landon and Carley won FM2, I was ecstatic because they played the game honest and fair the whole time.

Honestly, the only way the ending would have satisfied me was if Vegas won, because they at least grew as a team. The other 2 teams seemed to have done the opposite during the final. I used to be a Chet fan on previous challenges, but during the finale i definitely wasn't rooting for him. He is still way better than Frank though.

JayTee;331653 wrote:
JEK are "villains" as well but they are the villains you love to hate. Frank is just someone you hate.

Um..No JEK are villans that are just downright unlikable *******s. They were never "love to hate" villans. Frank..not so much.

I don't like JEK, but they were popular with a fanbase. Frank is just a worthless lowlife.

Zimuahaha;330755 wrote:
Nany looks like a transvestite. I don't get the appeal at all. Jonna has a really cute face. I love her body too, she is thin without looking sick, unlike Trishelle. Ashley's average looking to me, as well as Mackenzie. Cara Maria is very pretty, I'd put her at the top of the list. Out of the guys, I find Zach incredibly hot. If only he had more of a "rocker" vibe to him rather than that whole jock thing he has going on, then he'd be perfect. Dustin is also attractive; I just love his little button face! He's also got a smokin' hot body. Other than that...meh on the guys.

I can see how you might think of the Nany/tran ny thing lol, I think she's ok. Jonna looks washed up, she was on that Rehab show as a waitress and I couldn't stand her. Melinda is by far the hottest, and she's got a great body. I would do anything to meet her.

Kajun;331673 wrote:
I don't like JEK, but they were popular with a fanbase. Frank is just a worthless lowlife.

So? Doesn't make them Likable or "love to hate" Villans.

Debut Album;331666 wrote:
Um..No JEK are villans that are just downright unlikable *******s. They were never "love to hate" villans. .

I disagree with that There were times that Evan and Kenny were likable. Kenny was likable during FM2 even though I was rooting for Landon. Evan was likable during the Ruins (he stood up for Susie & Joey) and maybe the Gauntlet III. Johnny--I don't really remember a time he was likable. Maybe at times during Cutthroat. I think they were people that you loved to hated in the sense you wanted them there to see them lose. I don't want to see Frank lose--I just don't want to see him.

Debut Album;331745 wrote:
So? Doesn't make them Likable or "love to hate" Villans.

Kenny was likable during Rivals, especially when the whole house went up against Laurel and Cara Maria and he stuck by them even though his whole alliance was against them. I will say that Johnny at times can be just plain mean, but Frank is mean all the time. Especially towards Sam, Dustin, and Alton (for no reason).

I have never found evan or kenny likeable. I don't love to hate them. I hate the thought of them. Both of them have called women like Robin, Katie, Tina & Beth fat, stupid, ugly, ********, worthless... How is that any better than what Frank does? Because they ATTEMPT to be humorous?I used to think Johnny was cool, but once he alligned with the ********, he fell out of favor with me. That said, I would much rather watch Frank & Zach than evan, johnny, kenny, derrick & some of the mindless females (paula, susie, johanna) that follow them.

dylan76;331772 wrote:
I have never found evan or kenny likeable. I don't love to hate them. I hate the thought of them. Both of them have called women like Robin, Katie, Tina & Beth fat, stupid, ugly, ********, worthless... How is that any better than what Frank does? Because they ATTEMPT to be humorous?I used to think Johnny was cool, but once he alligned with the ********, he fell out of favor with me. That said, I would much rather watch Frank & Zach than evan, johnny, kenny, derrick & some of the mindless females (paula, susie, johanna) that follow them.

So why would you rather watch Frank and Zach over Johnny Evan and Kenny if they all do the same thing?

People compare JEK to Frank; I think that JEK do it more as entertainment and a lot of the women have said that they apologize for the stuff they say. Frank is just..well.. different.

JEK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank & Zach

toenails;331807 wrote:
JEK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank & Zach

haha definitely agree^

Frank and Zach are hot. kenny & evan are not. Therefore, I would much rather watch Frank & Zach. I thik K & E are downright malicious. Haven't seen F or Z torment a mentally unstable woman just for kicks. Toothbrush claim, anyone?

dylan76;331852 wrote:
Frank and Zach are hot. kenny & evan are not.

I'm different I guess; I watch The Challenge for the competition and somewhat for the drama. I'd rather have Kenny and Evan rather than Frank & Zach based on the fact the JEK always compete and don't just rely on "politics". I don't care if someone is *** ugly; if you are there to play and not to start drunken drama, you've got my vote.

It's not surprising that people are longing for the days of JEK because of Zach and Frank. But ten challenges from now (let's just pretend that there will be, even though there most likely won't), some new awful group of people will come along and people will wish Zach and Frank were back. It's like watching your favorite dramatic tv show and hating characters in season 1 and being happy when they're killed off, and then season 3 comes along and the show jumps the shark and you're wishing you could have those old characters back no matter how much you hated them when they were on. Viewers can be pretty fickle. But this viewer? I'd take Zach and Frank over Kenny, Evan, and Johnny. First of all, those three had 5 years and 10+ challenges to terrorize my tv screen. I think their time has passed. Granted, unlike Zach and Frank those 3 at least started off as good guys, but still I think I'll stick with the newbies.

As much as I abhor Frank and Zach, I prefer them to JEK. I'm just so tired of JEK, there's nothing they can do to interest me anymore. My big problem with Frank and Zach was that they got big heads from "running" the house. But they were running a house of rookies. I'd be much happier to see them back with a bunch of veterans, because I think they'd get their butts whooped. Let's get Frank and CT in the same house, see how that goes. So, for that reason, I am really hoping for a Rookies vs. Vets season. I'd be okay if people like JEK returned, but maybe for the final time. And hopefully Frank and Zach could lower their egos.

toenails;331807 wrote:
JEK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank & Zach

YES.

Legend;331859 wrote:
My big problem with Frank and Zach was that they got big heads from "running" the house. But they were running a house of rookies. I'd be much happier to see them back with a bunch of veterans, because I think they'd get their butts whooped. Let's get Frank and CT in the same house, see how that goes.

Exactly how would that go? CT has never been a great political mastermind on these shows so what exactly would he do to Frank? Hit him? Sure, then he's gone. Frank's too smart to actually do anything that will get him kicked off so he has an advantage over CT in that department.

Aereas;331889 wrote:
Exactly how would that go? CT has never been a great political mastermind on these shows so what exactly would he do to Frank? Hit him? Sure, then he's gone. Frank's too smart to actually do anything that will get him kicked off so he has an advantage over CT in that department.

I wasn't talking from a game-standpoint. I'm talking about how ridiculously dramatic Frank gets without people doing anything about it. But, there are many other veterans that could easily take out Frank when it comes to the game.

Aereas;331889 wrote:
Exactly how would that go? CT has never been a great political mastermind on these shows so what exactly would he do to Frank? Hit him? Sure, then he's gone. Frank's too smart to actually do anything that will get him kicked off so he has an advantage over CT in that department.

Rookies vs. Vets scenario with Ruins elimination rules: Veterans wins. CT volunteers and chooses Frank. Frank goes home.

Nightwolf;331910 wrote:
Rookies vs. Vets scenario with Ruins elimination rules: Veterans wins. CT volunteers and chooses Frank. Frank goes home.

Ideally that would be cool, but CT would never volunteer himself. I can see Frank calling out Johnny Bananas though.

TheCloser;331951 wrote:
I can see Frank calling out Johnny Bananas though.

This is something I cannot wait to see on a future challenge

Aereas;331889 wrote:
Frank's too smart to actually do anything that will get him kicked off.

CT was in that same boat years ago and we seen how that went...

mph922;331855 wrote:
It's not surprising that people are longing for the days of JEK because of Zach and Frank. But ten challenges from now (let's just pretend that there will be, even though there most likely won't), some new awful group of people will come along and people will wish Zach and Frank were back.

LMAO I'd rather have jay and chad from A Shot At Love with Tila Tequila than to ever see Frank and Zach on my screen again. I don't think you can get any worse than Frank I mean I would literally fight him if I ever saw him at a bar in california, dead serious lol the kid is in much need of a beating. He and Zach have single-handendly gave The Challenge some of their lowest ratings ever.

But this viewer? I'd take Zach and Frank over Kenny, Evan, and Johnny. First of all, those three had 5 years and 10+ challenges to terrorize my tv screen. I think their time has passed. Granted, unlike Zach and Frank those 3 at least started off as good guys, but still I think I'll stick with the newbies.

So you would rather have a gay guy who brings in family problems to a challenge, causes drama with everyone, acts like he's going to fight but never does, gets shoved in the face and never does anything about it, talks a lot of s*** to women like calling them c**** and telling them to suck his d*** on twitter, and who tries to shove his orientation down people's throats than some veterans that bring good old school challenge drama? If so, I'm ready for the Challenge to film it's final season and never air again.

JayTee;332460 wrote:
LMAO I'd rather have jay and chad from A Shot At Love with Tila Tequila than to ever see Frank and Zach on my screen again. I don't think you can get any worse than Frank I mean I would literally fight him if I ever saw him at a bar in california, dead serious lol the kid is in much need of a beating. He and Zach have single-handendly gave The Challenge some of their lowest ratings ever. So you would rather have a gay guy who brings in family problems to a challenge, causes drama with everyone, acts like he's going to fight but never does, gets shoved in the face and never does anything about it, talks a lot of s*** to women like calling them c**** and telling them to suck his d*** on twitter, and who tries to shove his orientation down people's throats than some veterans that bring good old school challenge drama? If so, I'm ready for the Challenge to film it's final season and never air again.

Well, I can only speak for myself, but yes I prefer Zach and Frank than JEK. First of all, I find Frank insufferable and would be happy never seeing him on my television screen again, and he can take Zach with him (though Zach is so dull that he leaves very little impression on me, personally). I don't want any of things you mentioned, but I would still rather have Frank than JEK. A. They had their 15 minutes (and then some), B. They're no better than Frank or Zach when it comes to berating others, namely women. Not to mention two out of three were (are?) involved in a sexual assault lawsuit. And I don't know what you consider "old school challenge drama" but what those guys brought sure as hell wasn't it. Quite frankly, the three of them are practically single-handedly responsible for destroying what the "old school challenge" entailed. If Coral, Veronica, Theo V, Mike, Adam L, etc. want to come back, then by all means I'd be fine with it. And most of those people are people I didn't even like much when they were on the shows. But that is "old school drama". Not the "drama" that JEK and their cronies bring to the show.

Same. I can't stand JEK and their ******* comrades. The season coming up better be a blessing.

Nostalgic;332479 wrote:
Same. I can't stand JEK and their ******* comrades. The season coming up better be a blessing.

Yep I hope it is too.

I would love to NEVER see Frank on my television again. However, I would like to see Zach do at least one more challenge to see what he is like without Frank.