ellethevegan;327011 wrote:
Like Devyn said their is other elements to the show that we dont get to see so.. Trishelle's comment was just her opinion lets move on what she saw and was there for.... and Trishelle said if her team were to get last she would have gone in... I dont remember hearing Trishelle say at all that she would have made san deigo choose Nany.. that makes no sense because san deigo doesn't have a say in the matter if a whole team decides on one player Alton, Dustin, Nany all would have made her step up.. and she would have done it with out a doubt.. Y'all have to realise Trishelle isn't as bad as you think she's here to compete and spice things up for tv.. she has stated that numerous times shes get along with every one in the cast now including Jonna and her and Nany are SUPER close so yeah.. She's playing a good game and her confessionals to me are hilarious.. I think in the upcoming episodes Trishelle will prove herself and show she is strong competitor...

Oh I like Trishelle...I just didn't like that comment. And she blatantly says it on the podcast. She said she would've manipulated it so Nany would've had to go in, which meant leaving it up to San Diego. The other three couldn't force her, it's up to the person to say their own name at the Arena. If the other three could just say that someone is going in don't you think Fresh Meat would've just said Big Easy every single time? It doesn't work like that. That was Eric's strategy on the third challenge. He said he wouldn't volunteer, but then cozied up to Alton so Alton would say Brandon's name. Trishelle said she would've done the same thing San Diego. Again, I like Trishelle, I'm just restating the things that came out of her mouth.

If Trishelle thinks Jonnas a tramp, she thinks she's a tramp. It's her opinion and I really don't see what the big deal is. Either you agree with it, or you don't and you keep on moving.

YvanEhtNioj;327019 wrote:
If Trishelle thinks Jonnas a tramp, she thinks she's a tramp. It's her opinion and I really don't see what the big deal is. Either you agree with it, or you don't and you keep on moving.

The big deal is she's calling Jonna a ****/tramp/ho when she herself is a ****/tramp/ho. She's being a hypocrite and that's not cool at all.

Debut Album;327022 wrote:
The big deal is she's calling Jonna a ****/tramp/ho when she herself is a ****/tramp/ho. She's being a hypocrite and that's not cool at all.

Wait What exactly makes Trishelle a ***** and a tramp? And also Trishelle is just playing the game again.. also Trishelle obviously doesn't feel that way now because she and joanna are fine now.. And as far as the arena goes i dont know why everyone is upset about her playing the game...

Adrian!!!!!!;326850 wrote:
Well, it's not embarrassing for a bigger guy to lose in something speed related..unless you are a big guy like Zach who played WR in college and should be faster/quicker than what he showed and you talk about yourself like you're the best thing since sliced bread like Zach does. And that's probably what the problem is for me here..I guess I have been pretty underwhelmed by Zach on this Challenge overall and maybe he's impressed you more (Or not...IDK) but I'm sorry, I just have not been all that impressed with him. I mean, the way he's talked about himself on Twitter I just expected more..of course there is still some more of the Challenge left and maybe he will impress the rest of the way..who knows ? And you are half right..Zach's strength really wasn't exposed but his lack of speed and quickness was sure exposed and his toughness was in question for the first 3 rounds but he showed toughness and that he can outsmart someone (The hurdle) in the last 2 rounds.

If Zach said things on twitter he hasn't/can't back up, then you're right; it's on him. However, ppl can't be overzealous themselves in turn and suggest he was exposed when he wasn't and he'd lose to other ppl based on a way that wasn't shown. That's all I was on about. Zach's giving up ALOT of weight to CJ (btw, props to him for making it a race) Thing is, if CJ was a regular dude, then yeah, a semi-pro wide receiver who can't outrun him at any length should be called out on it...BUT CJ is bit of a special guy. It doesn't seem like you know it, but he was once a top college and NFL eligible kicker! If you did know, then at least we have something of a decent point to agree-to-disagree on.

JayTee;326958 wrote:
Well I'm trying to explain to you why CJ was better but you completely ignore everything I say. CJ went home because Jasmine lost her elimination rounds. CJ beat Zach 3 times. CJ has lead his team to a 1st place victory in the Insane Games, where Zach hasn't done much of anything, hell even Zito proved to be too much for him.

I'm the one doing the ignoring?! riiiight. Dude, ppl would then have to ask - "Well, why were the girls elimination rounds worth more than the guys?" You still got more explaining to do, J. The numbers AND what you just added still ain't speaking enough. :) Btw, both Cara Maria & Brandon said that on the 2nd episode, the oil negated everything and the wrestling matches meant nothing, especially Zach's! (& of course also about how the alliance framed the whole day)

ellethevegan;327024 wrote:
Wait What exactly makes Trishelle a ***** and a tramp? And also Trishelle is just playing the game again.. also Trishelle obviously doesn't feel that way now because she and joanna are fine now.. And as far as the arena goes i dont know why everyone is upset about her playing the game...

What she did on her RW season.

What's so annoying is how everyone keeps acting like Zach is weak or a letdown. The missions on this challenge aren't anything that shows true athleticism or what a good player is. It's not individual missions like BOTSexes 1 so you can't really tell who is strong or not.

TheKorean;327028 wrote:
What's so annoying is how everyone keeps acting like Zach is weak or a letdown. The missions on this challenge aren't anything that shows true athleticism or what a good player is. It's not individual missions like BOTSexes 1 so you can't really tell who is strong or not.

The oil wrestling mission was extremely telling and a let down.

Fresh Meat;327029 wrote:
The oil wrestling mission was extremely telling and a let down.

I don't know. I mean, I don't think Zach has been nearly as impressive as he was touted to be, but Dustin's also really strong. He's a lot smaller, sure, but he's clearly in shape. He kind of reminds me of a Derrick or Cohutta. Small, but tough.

mph922;327030 wrote:
I don't know. I mean, I don't think Zach has been nearly as impressive as he was touted to be, but Dustin's also really strong. He's a lot smaller, sure, but he's clearly in shape. He kind of reminds me of a Derrick or Cohutta. Small, but tough.

True, but if he is indeed the next CT, he would have demolished Dustin.

TheKorean;327028 wrote:
What's so annoying is how everyone keeps acting like Zach is weak or a letdown. The missions on this challenge aren't anything that shows true athleticism or what a good player is. It's not individual missions like BOTSexes 1 so you can't really tell who is strong or not.

They aren't individual missions, but he has been a huge letdown. Here are examples of him being letdowns: 1. The mission on Episode 2. He wrestled Zito to a draw. He should have dominated that. 2. The mission on Episode 4. He greatly underperformed when it came to holding up the basket of rocks. 3. The mission on Episode 6. He deferred to Frank on the running portion of it. If he was the beast that he advertises himself as on twitter, he would have been the person to do the running. 4. The elimination in Episode 8. He got beat handily 3 straight times by a person he has 35 lbs on. He also hasn't stood out at all either. Team San Diego has only won 2 missions, one where their alliance let them win, and another where Frank carried them to victory. I have been far more impressed with Frank than I have with Zach.

Debut Album;327027 wrote:
What she did on her RW season.

I think you should rewatch her season.. lol she only had sex with 1 person (Steven) the whole time shhe was there and altogether she made out with 4 people 3 of those 4 being her roomates (Steven,Brynn & Frank) in a 4 months time span I just rewatched her season this past week while finishing up homework and im still confused on the sluty accusation. As far as her on the real world goes.. because now all you see is hookup's on the show from cast yet none of them seem to be getting the trashy ***** lable..

JL81790;326993 wrote:
Watching this episode again I wasn't a big fan of what Trishelle said about Jonna. Not the trashy comment/hoetic/whatever because that stuff gets thrown around and it sucks but such comments are going to be made. I didn't like the whole "Jonna is bad because she manipulated Jasmine so she can stay etc..." On Derrick's podcast Trishelle said she was NOT overly dehydrated on the trivia challenge and pretended to be because she didn't want to do it. When Derrick asked what would've happened had her team come in last that challenge she said she would've stalemated the vote and manipulated San Diego to throw in Nany instead of her. Now, there's nothing wrong with that...it's playing the game. But it has been said that the pot should not call the kettle black.

Your witt has brought a smile to my face.... thank you for pointing this out...nice catch :clapping:

Frankie J;327025 wrote:
If Zach said things on twitter he hasn't/can't back up, then you're right; it's on him. However, ppl can't be overzealous themselves in turn and suggest he was exposed when he wasn't and he'd lose to other ppl based on a way that wasn't shown. That's all I was on about. Zach's giving up ALOT of weight to CJ (btw, props to him for making it a race) Thing is, if CJ was a regular dude, then yeah, a semi-pro wide receiver who can't outrun him at any length should be called out on it...BUT CJ is bit of a special guy. It doesn't seem like you know it, but he was once a top college and NFL eligible kicker! If you did know, then at least we have something of a decent point to agree-to-disagree on. I'm the one doing the ignoring?! riiiight. Dude, ppl would then have to ask - "Well, why were the girls elimination rounds worth more than the guys?" You still got more explaining to do, J. The numbers AND what you just added still ain't speaking enough. :) Btw, both Cara Maria & Brandon said that on the 2nd episode, the oil negated everything and the wrestling matches meant nothing, especially Zach's! (& of course also about how the alliance framed the whole day)

Why "especially Zach's"? What was it about his match up that makes it so much more fittingl to the statement that the wrestling matches meant nothing? Why Melinda and Devyn's, or Camila and Marie's or Ashley and Jasmine's? I confidently invest in Cara Maria's take on the challenges but in this case I think that the wrestling matches did demonstrate who the better competitor was in most of the cases(maybe not in Cara's). Ashley, Camilla, Marie, Devyn, Laura were the expected winners of their match ups and they certainly followed through the same way Zach should've. To say that the oil negated EVERYTHING is a bit of an overstatement. In some cases, probably, but as you can see, Jasmine still lost to Ashley, Melinda to Devyn. Size clearly did matter in those particular rounds.

TheFeedMachi;327032 wrote:
They aren't individual missions, but he has been a huge letdown. Here are examples of him being letdowns: 1. The mission on Episode 2. He wrestled Zito to a draw. He should have dominated that. 2. The mission on Episode 4. He greatly underperformed when it came to holding up the basket of rocks. 3. The mission on Episode 6. He deferred to Frank on the running portion of it. If he was the beast that he advertises himself as on twitter, he would have been the person to do the running. 4. The elimination in Episode 8. He got beat handily 3 straight times by a person he has 35 lbs on. He also hasn't stood out at all either. Team San Diego has only won 2 missions, one where their alliance let them win, and another where Frank carried them to victory. I have been far more impressed with Frank than I have with Zach.

hold up a bit. 1. not a coincidence that nearly all men's matches ended in draws 2. Big Easy with both ropes using his legs, & other equal sized teams (& considering how all the teams were targeted) should be > Zach's arms on on one rope 3. his mouth is inconsequential to a competitive analysis of him, as a person & whatnot - sure. 4. A guy who weighs much less (especially CJ) SHOULD win those short races. Think about it, or just stop ignoring what happened in the last round. Only his performance in the egg-toss is in-excusable. It doesn't matter how much of a better ****** Marie & the rest are than Sam. Zach is a semi-pro WR.

v123;327050 wrote:
Why "especially Zach's"? What was it about his match up that makes it so much more fittingl to the statement that the wrestling matches meant nothing? Why Melinda and Devyn's, or Camila and Marie's or Ashley and Jasmine's? I confidently invest in Cara Maria's take on the challenges but in this case I think that the wrestling matches did demonstrate who the better competitor was in most of the cases(maybe not in Cara's). Ashley, Camilla, Marie, Devyn, Laura were the expected winners of their match ups and they certainly followed through the same way Zach should've. To say that the oil negated EVERYTHING is a bit of an overstatement. In some cases, probably, but as you can see, Jasmine still lost to Ashley, Melinda to Devyn. Size clearly did matter in those particular rounds.

I certainly don't want to dismiss the females competition but I think you're over-estimating how comparable they can be to men's div, who had size and tough/skill discrepancies but were essentially all draws in the oil. ALL Men's (legit) matches: Dustin vs Zach - DRAW Brandon vs Trey - DRAW Knight vs JD - DRAW Danny vs Trey - DRAW Trey vs Chet - Trey (Chet was shown to genuinely make an unforced error) Dustin vs Rob - Dustin upsets & Dustin's no joke. Note that Kenny once worked CT with his wrestling and gave him a bloody nose. Also, Dustin was seen avoiding and playing the near submission hold game well enough for jiu-jitsu practitioner TJ to not call him on it. He was akin to a bull-rider. It was a setting in which a lighter, game guy in Zito could negate the size/power by at times going for a draw, which he said he was happy with.

Frankie J;327025 wrote:
"If Zach said things on twitter he hasn't/can't back up, then you're right; it's on him. However, ppl can't be overzealous themselves in turn and suggest he was exposed when he wasn't and he'd lose to other ppl based on a way that wasn't shown. That's all I was on about." "Zach's giving up ALOT of weight to CJ (btw, props to him for making it a race) Thing is, if CJ was a regular dude, then yeah, a semi-pro wide receiver who can't outrun him at any length should be called out on it...BUT CJ is bit of a special guy. It doesn't seem like you know it, but he was once a top college and NFL eligible kicker! If you did know, then at least we have something of a decent point to agree-to-disagree on."

Just to add to what you said...Another thing that CJ also did really well vs. Zach was stay low..and it was also a really smart move. And no, I did not know that CJ was a football player himself.

Frankie J;327094 wrote:
hold up a bit. 1. not a coincidence that nearly all men's matches ended in draws 2. Big Easy with both ropes using his legs, & other equal sized teams (& considering how all the teams were targeted) should be > Zach's arms on on one rope 3. his mouth is inconsequential to a competitive analysis of him, as a person & whatnot - sure. 4. A guy who weighs much less (especially CJ) SHOULD win those short races. Think about it, or just stop ignoring what happened in the last round. Only his performance in the egg-toss is in-excusable. It doesn't matter how much of a better ****** Marie & the rest are than Sam. Zach is a semi-pro WR. I certainly don't want to dismiss the females competition but I think you're over-estimating how comparable they can be to men's div, who had size and tough/skill discrepancies but were essentially all draws in the oil. ALL Men's (legit) matches: Dustin vs Zach - DRAW Brandon vs Trey - DRAW Knight vs JD - DRAW Danny vs Trey - DRAW Trey vs Chet - Trey (Chet was shown to genuinely make an unforced error) Dustin vs Rob - Dustin upsets & Dustin's no joke. Note that Kenny once worked CT with his wrestling and gave him a bloody nose. Also, Dustin was seen avoiding and playing the near submission hold game well enough for jiu-jitsu practitioner TJ to not call him on it. He was akin to a bull-rider. It was a setting in which a lighter, game guy in Zito could negate the size/power by at times going for a draw, which he said he was happy with.

Derek and Frank had a legit match as well which resulted in Derek losing rather swiftly. Zach has a lot of size and weight on Dustin. Certainly a lot more than Knight(who is out of shape) did on JD or Brandon on Trey. Danny is bigger than Trey but is the difference more than that of Zach and Dustin? I don't think so. The girls had a couple of match ups with size differences on the level of Zach and Dustin and those had clear winners. You don't think it's particularly comparable but I think it's fair to compare their match up to that of some of the girls especially considering that the weight differences were similar.

Frankie J;327094 wrote:
hold up a bit. 1. not a coincidence that nearly all men's matches ended in draws 2. Big Easy with both ropes using his legs, & other equal sized teams (& considering how all the teams were targeted) should be > Zach's arms on on one rope 3. his mouth is inconsequential to a competitive analysis of him, as a person & whatnot - sure. 4. A guy who weighs much less (especially CJ) SHOULD win those short races. Think about it, or just stop ignoring what happened in the last round. Only his performance in the egg-toss is in-excusable. It doesn't matter how much of a better ****** Marie & the rest are than Sam. Zach is a semi-pro WR.

1. The only 2 male matches that I remember ending in draws were Danny vs Trey (pretty much the same size) and Zach vs Dustin. There weren't many real ones, but Frank and Knight both took care of business against people smaller than them. 2. I am aware that Big Easy had a leverage advantage. Zach underperformed compare to the other teams of 2, especially when you consider he had a full alliance working with him. 4. Strongly disagree. A person who weighs much less should not win Hall Brawl. They should just be overpowered and forced back every time. It took Zach until the last round to do this.

TheFeedMachi;327116 wrote:
4. Strongly disagree. A person who weighs much less should not win Hall Brawl. They should just be overpowered and forced back every time. It took Zach until the last round to do this.

EXACTLY. A guy who weighs less is always expected to lose in hall brawl because it's basically pushing the other guy. Why do you think Wes lost so easily against Big Easy? If it was a track race then yeah the small guy would win but the walls confine the 2 competitors to the point where they either push each other or one will duck and the other will jump over .

The title for this episode sounds very sensitive to Jonna's troubles btw. lol.

v123;327050 wrote:
. In some cases, probably, but as you can see, Jasmine still lost to Ashley, Melinda to Devyn. Size clearly did matter in those particular rounds.

Agree when it came to Jasmine getting picked up and slammed by Ashlee but size was not a factor in Melinda vs Devyn. Melinda had Devyn's back and was actually overpowering her, Devyn just grabbed her arm and tapped the wall to get the win. Even in oil wrestling you normally win by pinning your opponents shoulder down, but all you had to do here was get them to touch the wall first. This was as much a mental strategy challenge as it was physical. Devyn played it smart by letting Melinda get her arms around her and then tapping her arm on the wall.

v123;327113 wrote:
Derek and Frank had a legit match as well which resulted in Derek losing rather swiftly. Zach has a lot of size and weight on Dustin. Certainly a lot more than Knight(who is out of shape) did on JD or Brandon on Trey. Danny is bigger than Trey but is the difference more than that of Zach and Dustin? I don't think so. The girls had a couple of match ups with size differences on the level of Zach and Dustin and those had clear winners. You don't think it's particularly comparable but I think it's fair to compare their match up to that of some of the girls especially considering that the weight differences were similar.

Frank vs Derrick – legit? Nope, it was another planned dive as Derrick confessed – “Frank & I decided he’s gonna win…” Then, Derrick is shown reaching out far (for the loss) as Frank throws him with one arm from behind. I disagree with most of those size observations (other than Zach/Dustin) but more importantly, I see your cross-divisionally-applied-comparative-size theory and counter with the direct & definitive results (almost all draw match endings) that support the contention (that the oil much negated efforts) by those who were there (Brandon/Cara)…& more (Dustin’s shown ability as he was the only non-draw match winner) Also, the findings of your notion are belied by what happened in the last round of CJ vs Zach….unless you think Dustin is bigger than CJ ;)

TheFeedMachi;327116 wrote:
1. The only 2 male matches that I remember ending in draws were Danny vs Trey (pretty much the same size) and Zach vs Dustin. There weren't many real ones, but Frank and Knight both took care of business against people smaller than them. 2. I am aware that Big Easy had a leverage advantage. Zach underperformed compare to the other teams of 2, especially when you consider he had a full alliance working with him. 4. Strongly disagree. A person who weighs much less should not win Hall Brawl. They should just be overpowered and forced back every time. It took Zach until the last round to do this.

1. Well, watch it again and you’ll see that all were draws except Dustin upsetting Rob, & Chet messing up. How did Frank and Knight ‘take care of business’ when the following confessions were shown: - Derrick: “Frank & I decided he’s gonna win.” -Preston: “Knight thought he could take JD but really couldn’t...it was a mess.” 2. The “Full Alliance behind him” couldn’t stop the other two teams from solely targeting San Diego. Only until those teams were gone, did the game begin for the rest as they still had empty baskets. Then The Alliance worked on SD, as Derrick said, it was to be an equal, down-the-line attack on the remaining Alliance teams. & then, San Diego still outlasted one of them! You consider that “greatly underperformed”?! 4. Since you somehow didn’t see with your own eyes that it was a race (turned into by CJ) or that Wes proved it can be in his final round. How about your ears? Listen to Derrick K’s recent podcast. CJ said outright that he had to make it a race to avoid Zach…but was tricked into not doing it in the end because he just got lept over.

JayTee;327131 wrote:
EXACTLY. A guy who weighs less is always expected to lose in hall brawl because it's basically pushing the other guy. Why do you think Wes lost so easily against Big Easy? If it was a track race then yeah the small guy would win but the walls confine the 2 competitors to the point where they either push each other or one will duck and the other will jump over .

LOL! You thought someone aided you. or one will duck and the other will jump over Look up the term - non sequitur. (you too, TheFeedMachi)

Dev let it ALL OUT on this afterbuzz lol. Basically, everyone hates Jonna.

YvanEhtNioj;327326 wrote:
Dev let it ALL OUT on this afterbuzz lol. Basically, everyone hates Jonna.

That interview is 47 minutes long can you elaborate on what Devyn said. I don't want to hear it all

TheKorean;327341 wrote:
That interview is 47 minutes long can you elaborate on what Devyn said. I don't want to hear it all

If you want to listen to what she said about Jonna start at 8:10 mark and lasts for about 10 minutes.

TheFeedMachi;327344 wrote:
If you want to listen to what she said about Jonna start at 8:10 mark and lasts for about 10 minutes.

I'm at work right now lol. Can't listen

I thought it was so cute when Zach said to Jonna while she was eating: "Sexy and hungry" :D

freydumb;327358 wrote:
I thought it was so cute when Zach said to Jonna while she was eating: "Sexy and hungry" :D

One of the rare statements I agreed with from Zach. :D